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PostSubject: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyTue Nov 18, 2008 7:43 pm

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These are the Prerequisites to building a DOHC Turbo. Together we will go through typical setups from mild to extreme to reach the power goals you desire. These are lists of typically used items that are easily attainable by the average person. All setups should have the Air to Fuel Ratio verified on a dyno with wideband or at very least on a track using an in-car wideband setup (NO watching the standard O2 signal and calling it good). If your using pump gas and seeing air to fuel ratios more lean than 11.8:1-12:1, some rethinking on the tuning/fuel setup will be needed. A narrowband guage(typical A/F guage from Autometer for instance) is not complex enough to be a real indication of the ratios inside your combustion chamber.



Very Mild Build: around 180 rwhp

Turbo Manifold
Blow Off Valve
Turbo (T25)
Downpipe 2.5" is perfectly fine
Pipe to connect turbo to throttle body

Fuel Control:
FMU (not recommended, but doable) Raises fuel pressure per boost to make injectors flow more than normal.
SR 370cc Injectors. These can be found at places found at the bottom)
Apexi SAFC2
Greddy Emanage

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Mild power adder, say you want around 200 rwhp.


Turbo Manifold
Blow Off Valve
Small Intercooler (potentially get away with a side mount)
Turbo T25/T28/14B, etc. Smaller T2 setups. Usually will be internally wastegated.
Downpipe 2.5" is perfectly fine
Replacing the Exhaust is starting to be very necessary at this stage, so I would start to shop for that as well.

Fuel Control
SR 370cc Injectors
Apexi SAFC2
Greddy Emanage
Back off base timing at distributor or MSD BTM

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Average: 300 rwhp to 350 rwhp, you have to start to expect a little more lag. This is about the perfect "street car" limit. No race gas, just good honest street car fun that is fully capable of bring home a 12 second timeslip on a good run.

Turbo Manifold
T3/T04E .50 Trim compressor, .60 trim compressor housing / Stg 3 (aka TA31) turbine wheel, .48 to .63 A/R exhaust housing. Internal wastegate optional but not recommended.
Downpipe can still be 2.5", but this is as far as I would want to push that.
Front Mount Intercooler (FMIC) It's time to upgrade to a larger front mount as the larger will push more air than the smaller sidemount can cool.

Fuel Control
550cc Injectors
SAFC2 to control your fuel injectors, along with the stock ecu.
MSD BTM At this stage I would be running the BTM to control timing retard.
Reflashed ECU-This can be a DIY thing with Megasquirt Tuning or a JWT.
Z32 Maf is required, as the stock Maf stops being able to read at around 260 rwhp.
Wideband O2 Sensor should be installed for tuning.

Block Internals
This is where I would start to consider it necessary to replace you pistons.

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Above Average: 350 rwhp to 425 rwhp

Turbo Manifold
Blow Off Valve
T3/T04E 50 Trim .48/.63 or slightly larger turbo, this is where I would start to make the switch up to an external wastegate. You have the option to reroute it back into the exhaust, or merely "dump" it out into the open. "Dump" is usually a mini exhaust in the form of 1.5" piping routed out to the open.
FMIC Larger is starting to be necessary. Typical for setups from here on, are 12"x24"x3" for the core.
Downpipe 3", at this point I would switch to the larger downpipe. You can probably get away with it at 2.5", but it will be causing a little bit of backpressure. Moving to 3" piping as quickly as possible is what you want though. Usually it is necessary to have the first bend 2.5" to clear the steering shaft though.
Exhaust 3"

Block Internals
At this stage you'll want to "build" or fortify your block to better handle boost. Previous to this you can walk the line, but here and forward I find it necessary to do so.
Forged Rods
Forged Pistons
Stock Crank
Plus your typical rebuild items.


Fuel Control
Standalone fuel management is recommended at this stage in the game and is absolutely necessary at the next. These allow you control not only very large injectors, but the tuner to have complete control over both timing and fuel.
720cc Injectors.
Wideband O2 Sensor is necessary for tuning.

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Wild Build: 425 rwhp to 600 rwhp. Lag is obviously going to be much more apparent, full boost isn't going to happen until around 4000-5000 rpms or so. Once spooled it will pull very hard.

Turbo Manifold
Turbo T3/T61/SC61 or GT35R seem to be the typical turbo's in the area. External Wastegate is your only option that should be considered.
Blow Off Valve You'll want a good performing more expensive blow off valve to alleviate reverted air when the throttle body closes from pushing against the compressor wheel.
FMIC the 24"x12"x3" Core's are still effective in this range.
Downpipe 3" is still capable of handling these power levels
Exhaust 3" or larger

Fuel Control
720cc-1600cc Injectors
Standalone Fuel Management
Recommeded to switch to Map instead of Maf for reading airflow.
Wideband 02 Sensor installed and wired into standalone for adjustments and monitoring.
Dyno tuning is very valuable.

Block Internals
Along with the previously mentioned internals I would add these to the list
Cams (per your discretion)
Build your head as well
Valve Springs
Valve Retainers
ARP Head/Main Studs
Cometic Headgasket or similar


Absolute turbo necessities...amongst the aforementioned goodies above.

Oil Lines


Fuel Pump:
The stock pump is decent but not intended for such use. For Walbro 255's being as cheap as they are, anyone turboing their vehicle should upgrade previous to turboing.

Boost gauge
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PostSubject: ka-t   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Dec 24, 2008 2:42 am

first of all i wouldnt do any of this this way.
first you would at least need to do arp head studs
second a good head gasket
third stay away from the safc2 unless fine tuning and get a real tune.
fourth i wouldnt put much more than a gt2871r or the internals are going to throw its self apart.
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Dec 24, 2008 12:29 pm

jeremy240sx wrote:
first of all i wouldnt do any of this this way.
first you would at least need to do arp head studs
second a good head gasket
third stay away from the safc2 unless fine tuning and get a real tune.
fourth i wouldnt put much more than a gt2871r or the internals are going to throw its self apart.

Hmm....that's funny, cause i ran 12psi on a completely stock engine with a good tune, zero problems for over 2 years before i sold the motor to a friend, who is STILL running it at 12 psi. They are stronger than you might think.

jeremy240sx wrote:
fourth i wouldnt put much more than a gt2871r or the internals are going to throw its self apart.

And you would know this....how? By reading other people's horror stories? Sure, there are people out there that just throw shit together without doing their homework and expect it to be a monster, and the first time it see's boost it blows the piston rings, or worse.
My advice for people like that: Get someone who knows what they are doing to do it for you. TUNING is the key to making it last.

I do this shit for a living bro, if the engine has been well maintained, the internals are fine up to probably 300hp, which is more than enough for most people. There are people making more than that as well. Search youtube for a ka-t making 530 hp w/ STOCK internals.
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptySat Jan 03, 2009 10:41 pm

im just saying its less of a hastle to just build a sr and cheaper. you dont have to spend alot on tuning if you stay bpu. upgrading yea you will spend a good penny on but my oppinion is sr or ca18det.
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyMon Jan 05, 2009 2:07 am

ok lol, ima put 3k in my ka, bring a stock sr and see how it stack up lol. you have 500 to play with btw...
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyTue Jan 06, 2009 10:19 pm

i run a almost stock sr20 except for aa few things and it will be real nice when it gets done being put into my car. it wont be pushing 500 more like 350 when im done with it.
i do like the lower end torque the ka-t pushes out though ill give it that
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Jan 07, 2009 3:08 am

That's why I'm going KA-T, (meow) cause it's got torque, MF!
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Jan 07, 2009 4:07 pm

jeremy240sx wrote:
im just saying its less of a hastle to just build a sr and cheaper.
lol!

How do you figure it is cheaper?

An average SR swap with all the goodies is anywhere from $3-4k and on the stock turbo you are not going over about 270hp. So, throw on another 1k or so for a GOOD turbo and injectors, and don't forget another tune, which is probably another $500.

So let's add this up......$4500---$5k....for an sr with stock internals scratch

OK......the KA you have is free.
You could have the bottom end built for around 1k. Then piece together your turbo setup for around $2k. Add a ECU tuned for 15psi for probably 500. These are only est. but it should be close.

This means you could have a fully built bottom end in your KA-T pushing 15psi for maybe 1k less than a stock bottom end SR.
If you think it is easier or cheaper, go ahead, it's your money, and when you race someone with a built ka....you're gonna kick yourself in the nuts.
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Jan 07, 2009 7:17 pm

oh yea, i forgot you had to pay someone to put it in lol. nvm. i got about 1-2k to put in to mine extra. and your will be stock. g/l
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Jan 14, 2009 12:05 am

mines not stock anymore sorry no t2small for me
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Jan 14, 2009 3:54 pm

yea... and correct me if im wrong... didnt it all cost you about 10k?
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyThu Jan 15, 2009 2:13 am

yea thats the only thing that sucks about it. but you have to pay to play if you cant do it your self. how did you know that though.
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyThu Jan 15, 2009 4:09 am

i know stuff Suspect

but see thats alot more than i intend to spend on mine. and my numbers are supposed to be 350-425 or better.

block internals- $900 cp pistons, eagle rods, arp rod studs
head- $ 180 cosmetic head gasket with arp head studs
turbo stuff- $700 goin with my cuz and doin ebay turbo. shes had hers for over a yr and shes still pushin 22-28 everyday so ima do that lol
fuel management-$300
tune-$400-600
nismo motor mounts- $150-200

all in all thats around 3k and itll be done. id much rather go that way

plus think about a n/a sr vs n/a ka.... and ive heard that just boltin a t25g and 370cc injectors with a mild tune on a ka puts it ahead of a sr.
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyThu Jan 15, 2009 7:50 pm

jonathan wrote:
plus think about a n/a sr vs n/a ka.... and ive heard that just boltin a t25g and 370cc injectors with a mild tune on a ka puts it ahead of a sr.

That's what I like to here!!! king

So does you cuz have a 240 or just a eBay turbo setup?
If she has a 240, tell her to JOIN!!!
We NEED more 240 people, people period.......
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyFri Jan 16, 2009 12:42 am

no, she just has a civic hatch, but shes pushin about 300 right now lol. shes getting a new block thats sleeved and some crap and supposed to be doin stuff to it soon and shes shooting for 400. crazyness lol. but she has had her t3/t4 turbo for over a yr and its still pushing 22 just fine they said. so i figured $200 every 1-2 yrs is fine for me lol
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyFri Jan 16, 2009 1:13 am

im going to be putting down closer to 300 whp until i get a better maf sensor than 350
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyFri Jan 16, 2009 1:36 am

Yeah, so when am I gunna get to ride in it?

Are you still coming down here to break in your clutch?...
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyFri Jan 16, 2009 4:53 pm

hell yea bro definately will be
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyFri Jan 16, 2009 5:10 pm

Aight cooo!

When you gunna gome down?
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptySat Jan 17, 2009 1:24 am

well they found out the engine they got me came out of a 180sx so they had to get me a new wiring harness and the turbo was bad so i had to get bigger injectors and top feed fuel rail for my bigger turbo. so hopefully in like two weeks
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyTue Jan 20, 2009 8:41 pm

Make it a week!
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Jan 21, 2009 12:33 am

the best thing happened they have to get it done by like next wednesday or friday cause someone brought them a 350z tt from b-ham and only have 2 weeks to make it 510 or so hp and tuned.
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyWed Jan 21, 2009 2:25 pm

So you're going to wait till it's out of the shop, then race it here?.....

P.S. Make your own built thread, cause this was about KA-T for noobs.....
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptyFri Jan 30, 2009 11:26 pm

or you could just do what im doing very soon (have the motor just waiting for it to warm up) and do a ls1 swap.... 1/2 the price for 400 hp.

and you get that damn nice v8 sound coming through one 3 1/2 inch exhaust (for that sleeper look)
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PostSubject: Re: KA-T for noobs   KA-T for noobs EmptySun Feb 01, 2009 8:39 pm

I can't wait for you to get this setup running spring break, you did say spring break, right?
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